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Friday, February 21, 2003

If you do not learn from history, you have to re----live it. That sucks. When it comes to appeasement, the history lesson is clear, you never win friends and your enemies piss on your garden.

Read this story from Frontpage for a perspective that does not fit on a sign or something that you cannot convince a college kid of in 3 minutes, while handing him a sign.

Here is a tidbit:

But still the cry was chanted in the House of Commons - the League and collective security is the only true guarantee of peace. But after the Rhineland the maverick Churchill decided there was no collectivity in collective security and started a highly unpopular campaign for rearmament by Britain, warning against the general belief that Hitler had already built an enormous mechanised army and superior air force.

But he's not used them, he's not used them - people protested. Still for two years before the outbreak of the Second War you could read the debates in the House of Commons and now shiver at the famous Labour men - Major Attlee was one of them - who voted against rearmament and still went on pointing to the League of Nations as the saviour.



Go see what protesters in Middle Earth are like:

“We need more time for diplomacy,” said a key member of the Middle-Earth Security Council, Saruman the White. “I am not convinced by the evidence presented by my esteemed colleague, Gandalf the Grey, or that the Dark Lord Sauron presents an imminent danger to the peoples of the West.”

Many of the people protesting war in Mordor agreed with Saruman’s remarks. “Sauron says he’s destroyed his Rings of Mass Destruction (RMD) and that’s good enough for me,” said one fellow carrying a sign that said “Elrond is a Balrog.” Another demonstrator urged, “Give the RMD inspectors more time. There’s no reason to rush to any judgment just because Mount Doom is belching lava, the Dark Tower is rebuilt, and Osgiliath has been decimated.” A third protester piped up, “I haven’t heard a single bit of convincing evidence connecting the Nazgul with Sauron. I think they destroyed Osgiliath on their own initiative without any support from Sauron. Besides, it’s understandable they’re angry with Gondor. We haven’t done nearly as much for the Orcs and Goblins and Easterlings as the Nazgul and Sauron have. It’s understandable they throw their support to them. It’s our own fault really.”

Why is it I can imagine this soooooooooooo well.







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I guess Iraq wants to talk now. Imagine if they had nukes, two North Koreans to deal with.


Iraqi Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan offered a "dialogue" with the United States, saying in an interview broadcast Friday that his country was ready to talk if Washington abandons "aggression" and ceases "interference in internal affairs."








Wednesday, February 19, 2003

Thanks to LGF:
My favorite signs at a protest. I do not like the source but I sure like the message.

Favorite sign: Except for ending Slavery, Fascism, (in Italy), Nazism (in Germany only) and Communism- War has never solved anything.

Not sure about Communism though, I do not remember a war- well I guess the cold war, but is that a war? Although the threat of war certainly helped even if there was no war.


Tuesday, February 18, 2003

Daniel Pipes makes sense as to why there cannot be peace in the Middle East between Israel and the Palestinians. His article is too short though.

Here is a tidbit:

Why are Palestinians so angry at Israel? There are two possible reasons.

Political: They accept the existence of a Jewish state but are angry with this or that Israeli policy.

Rejectionist: They abominate the very existence of Israel and want to destroy it.


further to this:

In a spring 2002 poll of residents in the West Bank and Gaza conducted by the Jerusalem Media and Communication Center, a Palestinian organization, 43 percent of respondents called for a Palestinian state only in the West Bank and Gaza and 51 percent insisted on the state in "all of historic Palestine," code words for the destruction of Israel.

Thus, Palestinian rejectionism flourishes. But the outside world averts its collective eyes from this fact. Those institutions and individuals with a megaphone - in both Israel and America, not to speak of the United Nations, the left and those in diplomatic, journalistic, artistic and academic circles worldwide - generally assert that Palestinian acceptance of Israel has occurred and focus instead on Israel's need to "take risks for peace."

In contrast, only a small number of conservatives in Israel and the United States point out the continued power of Palestinian rejectionism.


Food for thought.

I recommend the following to get to know Saddam.

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/05/bowden.htm


I wonder how Iraq ever started their nuclear program, lets think about it and go to LGF.

A picture says a 1,000 words.

Monday, February 17, 2003

Someone made a good point that Iraqi exiles are not a valid representation of the Iraqi people. Also pointing out that Iraqis may hate us more than Saddam and will not thank us. I do not have permission to print the email so I am not truly able to do his article justice.

Exiles are not an ideal sample of what the Iraqi population may be thinking, they are not in Iraq. They have however lived in Iraq and fled for a reason, to save their lives, this seems more than just a “good reason”. Their testimonials are vivid and have been corroborated by various sources. To your point some left 20 years ago, others when they could, they seem to all share one thing, hate for Saddam. They are apparently very unified in this thought since the overwhelming majority did not protest U.S. lead action. According to one of the report there are 500,000 Iraqis in Britain, considering Iraq has a population of 20 million, 500,000 is a pretty large slice of the pie.

The taste of freedom that they enjoy in a country like the U.S. or Britain has changed their perception so I agree they are more biased towards their hosts. They get to live without fear, something that does not happen in Iraq. Their bias comes from enjoying human rights, not from less important political differences such as “how they are taxed”, or “typical 3rd world govt. corruption” or simply “the food is better”. Quite simply they have been treated better in Britain or the U.S. then they have in their own country. Treated better is a kind way of saying they are not brutalized. Their bias is what we take for granted, which is living in a free society and knowing what it is like not to live in one.

Getting interviews from people on the street in Baghdad is also not an accurate take of what people in Baghdad are thinking since there is no freedom of speech and it is police state. There is no ideal source of what the Iraqi people are thinking in regard to an invasion.

Other than a few interviews on CNN I have not seen serious Iraqi opposition to the war from the population. I say serious because no one really gets much time to speak to an Iraqi without a govt. monitor.

You could gauge public opinion in Iraq by protests such as the way the gauge public opinion here. Only 3,000 people protested against the war there over the weekend in Baghdad. That is not even a fraction of those who protested in Seattle, (18-30 thousand), one city of many that had protesters. They are in mortal danger of our bombs, scared out of their wits, they are so scared and do not want a war, and all they can muster up is enough to fill one American high school out of 20 million people in their biggest city? That strikes me as very odd. The reason, as I have seen in Mexico, is that the government is organizing the protests and the population is not.

It would be like getting Jews to protest the camps in Germany, which BTW people criticized the U.S. for not bombing the same camps while they were functioning. Survivors of this era that were in those camps complained loudly that the camps were not bombed, they themselves were not concerned with their own civilian casualties. Now is what is happening in Iraq as bad as bad as the holocaust? Not on the same scale, as far as killing Saddam is in the 100k-300k plus, but just as brutal.

I recommend the following to get to know Saddam.

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/05/bowden.htm

This is the same guy who wrote Black Hawk Down, good writer. After looking into life in Iraq through serious articles it would be difficult to paint a picture in which the U.S. is hated more than Saddam.

The people that have left Iraq have fled and obviously no longer live in Iraq. Some have left recently such as Khidhir Hamza who wrote the book “Saddam’s Bombmaker”, who paints a brutal picture of life there and wants change. There are more articles and books on life in Iraq, they all pretty much say the same thing. Few articles or books paint a convincing picture of a population that likes Saddam and prefers him above all.

Sean Penn was only there 3 days, that is like being 3 days in Mexico City and getting a good read of what Mexicans think, without speaking Spanish. I doubt he got a tour of the torture chambers. I have a hard time considering that he got a complete story, if anything they lied about his statements as represented in this story.

http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/64958.htm

Amazingly enough the Iraqi govt. and the Iraqi media lie, it is as if they were somehow on the same team. Yet we seem to, as a society believe them more than our government.

I completely disagree that they hate the US more than Saddam, quite simply Saddam has probably killed someone they know and he has terrorized them for years. To think that as much pain as he has caused them and how he is not shy to display his brutality is to think that they deserve him or they are masochistic enough to want that level of violence in their every day lives. As a human being it is difficult to grasp that they live in the horrendous conditions that they live in and do not prefer change, any change. I cannot bring myself to think that low of them.

It is doubtful they can imagine worse than Saddam. German Jews had a hard time imagining someone worse than Saddam, Cambodians worse than PolPot and I doubt more that someone in the Balkans imagined someone worse than Milosovic.

It doubt Cambodians liked PolPot and enjoyed the stability and just want to be left alone, with PolPot. One good thing though about the U.S. going in is that eventually they will get a democracy and they can elect Saddam, I hope they let him campaign.

Other than on a protester’s sign I have not seen much to make me think they hate the U.S. more. I do think they fear the U.S. since anyone with power that they know as a population has always behaved horribly. But here I have to give because neither you nor I truly know since there is no freedom of speech in Iraq, there simply is not. That is why I go by what the exiles think, not those of the Iraqi National Congress who consider themselves the government in exile, but what a doctor or an scientist such as Hamza who wrote about his experience there, someone with out politics.

I also make it a point to explore what conditions are like in Iraq and cannot imagine them hating us more than hating that which rules their existence. Arguments that they will not be better off after the U.S. thins out after you read enough about how the average Iraqi lives.

Out of half a million they could not find 1 Iraqi to speak out and say, “do not bomb my countrymen”. Could it be that 500,000 Iraqis in Britain and who knows how many in the U.S. think exactly the same about Saddam? And back in Iraq they only found 3,000 protesters to protest U.S. action? subjugation

As Americans we have a very limited understanding of what a dictatorship really is and how it functions. We have been spared one so do not know the language or actions from one and how one lives under one. We learn that a dictatorship is a valid form of government for people that are ignorant or not organized enough to want better. This is simply racist and an excuse that Britons used to keep control of colonies like India and Egypt. Apparently the argument still works, the difference is that we have moved beyond a European power being the sonofabitch and allowing that, to allowing one of their own to treat them like animals and oppress them. It seems to be ok if one of their own brutalizes them and such is their lot.

I do think they will thank us and there will be celebrations in the street. I would be willing to bet $50.00 bucks, my ceiling for betting, that after the fighting is over they will be happy and celebrating. If they are not happy with us, they have the choice of electing someone like Saddam, I hope we let him campaign.




It seems France thinks it runs Europe. For better no one runs Europe and admittance into their club should not require candidate countries to agree with the club. Imagine If this were the case at the U.N.
There were massive protests last weekend opposing the war. If you are pro-War this has gotta hurt. One little mentioned fact has been the lack of Iraqi exiles speaking out against the war. Out of the million or so people protesting I have not heard of a single Iraqi ex-pat or pat who lives in a free government who protested the war. Not one.

If the anti-War camp could bring a few Iraqi expats to speak out against the war this would be a masterstroke. You would have the people they claim to protect asking for protection from American bombs, asking that their countrymen and families that are still in Iraq be spared another war.

I have heard many Iraqi people in Iraq speaking out against the war, of course since this is such a brutalized society you are not sure if they are saying this under duress. Does anyone really think that news crews just walk around by themselves? Isn’t it odd that the news covers government opposition in most nations but when it comes to Iraq there apparently is no opposition to the government? In a society where a person will be tortured and killed for speaking against Saddam do we really expect them to tell the truth about what they want? Or do we think that they are such ignorant people that they like to live under this dictator.

I have decided to include a few testimonials from Iraqi exiles in this blog so that we may learn the obvious, that living in Iraq is horrendous and the lack of an opposition to war from these expats.

Here is one:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/02/16/ndemo316.xml

Excerpt:

"Saddam Hussein doesn't care. He is the biggest criminal in the world. There needs to be a war against Saddam Hussein, a war for the Iraqi people. That has to be better than allowing him to continue killing all these people."
"Just ask yourselves why, out of 500,000 Iraqis in Britain, you will not find even 1,000 of them participating in the march? I am so frustrated by the appalling views of most of the British people. Your anti-war campaign has become mass hysteria and you are no longer able to see things properly."


Here is another:

http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page7217.asp

Excerpt:

We have listened to the latest announcements from your government and opposition stating that your main objective is not the regime change but disarmament! This is worrying for the Iraqi people. We believe that the only way forward is simultaneous removal of any weapons of mass destruction and regime change. This would be the starting point of restoring any peace in the Middle East. Stability obviously includes your serious effort to find a solution for the Palestinians.
The principal of opposing war by the good British public is being received warmly by Iraqis both inside and outside Iraq. This principle reflects a great level of sympathy towards Iraqis and a desire to spare them the misery of another war. On the other hand by doing so, the British public is missing the point, especially since inside Iraq the people are definitely FOR it! The level of their suffering is beyond anything that British people can possibly envisage let alone understand his obsession to develop and possess weapons of mass destruction. Do the British public know that it is normal practice for Saddam's regime to demand the cost of the bullet used in the execution of their beloved family members, and not to even allow a proper funeral?


Please send me comments from a free Iraqi opposing the war, I would love to post it. Good luck.

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